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please take the time to sign this, they've tried to ban everything else we use, now swords are getting it

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/swords/
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Tanaka wrote:please take the time to sign this, they've tried to ban everything else we use, now swords are getting it

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/swords/
Got my signature! Go#-damned meddling politicians....
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Those type of governments are a danger for the society and have ot be banned !!!
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I sended the link to my family so they can sign it for me.
Are the bayonets also included in the ban?
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Hi Guys,

Hope you dont mind me infiltrating your area. I have had an interest in swords and sword manufacture for many years. So i was quite concerned when i heard about a possible ban.

I've been chatting to my friends up at HQ about this.

I can say, as one of her maj's servants, that in truth, we get flooded out with seized 'Samurai' swords on a weekly basis. Mostly taken off Druggies who use them to protect themselves from other druggies or morons trying to beat each other to death with them. One guy got belted over the head with one recently - split his scalp but actually bent the blade ! Lucky it was blunt.

Seriously, they're all the cheap ornamental type anyway - but can still kill. As usual, any proposed bill will most likely be intended to stop their sale to those who dont have a good reason to own one, as per de-acs & blank-firers. Re-enactors / collectors will probably be exempt.

Bayonets are not affected, chavs prefer small, cheap, lock-knives.

Like most re-enactors, i'm worried about the 'ban everything' mentality of our 'Government'. This is just the latest and probably wont be the last. As Prince Philip said 'You can kill someone with a cricket bat, are you going to ban them ?' - Sage words !

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Hi MArk

thanks for the extra info.

I always thought it was the cheap monkey metal swords that are the problem, whenever the papers print a photo of the offending weapon i've never seen a real samurai sword :lol:

If they want to ban the cheap crappy things that are for sale on stalls at places like Beltring and in shops in some towns they would get my vote
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I'm will not totally agree with that.
What if you prefer to collect those "cheap" type swords ?

If these are forbidden they (the criminals) will take kitchen knives which are just as deadly... and after that... sharpened screwdrivers... and then...

What about personal responsability and personal freedom ? I think fight crime and not find a cheap "solution". criminals will always find a way to arm themselves.
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well we're going to disagree then as those cheap swords have no point as far as im concerned, most look naff and are worth **** all. so if its a case of banning the cheap ones worth about 2 quid to save those swords that cost 2 grand then im all for it.

Plus you would get tired of the cheap swords too if your at a show and you have god knows how many people come up and ask you to value there swords, only to have them moan like **** at you when you tell them its a fake and worth **** all.

Yes criminals will always find ways to arm themselves, but when they start talking about banning samurai swords because criminals use them i do think a major distinction needs to be made between the cheap fakes they use and real deal which people spend small fortunes collecting
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here is the goverments response to the petition

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11849.asp

just the usual labour bolloxs im affraid
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ALL Samurai swords are set to be outlawed tomorrow in a crack-down on lethal weapons.
The Government will ban manufacturing of the martial arts weapons and importing them.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith will order the new laws as early as tomorrow.
A police source said: “The Government is going to act firmly and decisively. Samurai swords are increasingly being used on the streets as some sort of macho weapon. It is right they are taken out of circulation once and for all.”
Home Office figures show there have been nearly 100 crimes involving the terrifying weapons since 2003. At least six people have been murdered by them.
Any breach of the law will lead to a minimum six-month jail term and a fine of £5,000.
Only genuine historical artefacts will be exempt from the law.
There has been a huge rise in the number of crimes involving Samurai swords, used by Japanese warriors centuries ago.
Ex-Lib Dem MP Nigel Jones was attacked in 2000 by a samurai-wielding attacker. Thug Robert Ashman killed the MP’s assistant in the assault.
Earlier this year drug addict Hugh Penrose got 19 years in jail for hacking a woman of 21 with a samurai sword, then driving over her.
Two months ago thieves used one to rob a security van of £40,000 in Northampton.



So from tommorrow Samurai swords come uder a crap goverment legislation.
Actually i think this is a fairly good idea, as its pretty much what i said they should do when they first started talking about banning them, by leaving the proper swords alone they can focus on getting rid of all those cheap pieces of s**t you always see for sale
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Tanaka wrote:well we're going to disagree then as those cheap swords have no point as far as im concerned, most look naff and are worth **** all. so if its a case of banning the cheap ones worth about 2 quid to save those swords that cost 2 grand then im all for it.

Yes criminals will always find ways to arm themselves, but when they start talking about banning samurai swords because criminals use them i do think a major distinction needs to be made between the cheap fakes they use and real deal which people spend small fortunes collecting
Hi, I can see your point BUT you are following the same line as pistol shooter, pre ban. I`m OK jack so F u. The pistol shooting groups said OK to the large caliber pistol ban as long as they had there .22 pistols for the "Olympic" games. Guess what they were banned soon after :evil:

So like it or not £2000 is not much these days to a cash rich drug dealer and what if he uses his sword to kill someone? Yes your collection soon becomes outlawed. SORRY but you have to draw your line in the sand my friend.
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I have drawn my line in the sand, but it doesn't include the cheap shit thats now been banned.

As no real samurai sword has been used over in any of the crimes recorded in the goverments study i think it does rather prove my point.
Afterall why would a drug dealer won't to make himself stand out so obviously by carrying a samurai sword and paying several thousand pounds for the privalige, when he can go out and get a Glock semi automatic pistol for much less, which is easier to conceal and slightly more effective for what he would need it for.
This country has some of the finest samurai swords on the planet, many are literally priceless, and there are a few private collections worth many millions of pounds, there owners could afford to buy and sell Gordon Brown many times over, and the rich tend not to let things go ahead if it would affect them.

Plus the fact that the genuine sword collectors are supporting the ban just increases the chances the goverment will leave them alone.
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Tanaka wrote:I have drawn my line in the sand, but it doesn't include the cheap shit thats now been banned.

As no real samurai sword has been used over in any of the crimes recorded in the goverments study i think it does rather prove my point.
Afterall why would a drug dealer won't to make himself stand out so obviously by carrying a samurai sword and paying several thousand pounds for the privalige, when he can go out and get a Glock semi automatic pistol for much less, which is easier to conceal and slightly more effective for what he would need it for.
This country has some of the finest samurai swords on the planet, many are literally priceless, and there are a few private collections worth many millions of pounds, there owners could afford to buy and sell Gordon Brown many times over, and the rich tend not to let things go ahead if it would affect them.

Plus the fact that the genuine sword collectors are supporting the ban just increases the chances the goverment will leave them alone.
Do you honestly think Mr. Brown cares? Like it or not you are making the same argument as pistols shooters did. All it takes is the press these days to get behind a "danger to public" issue and when you see the public opion change (VOTES) the law will change. Do you not think that people in the UK had "priceless" collections of historic pistols taught they would be safe from the ban? This included some very wealthy people.

Im not saying drug lords will arm themselfs with swords but as we seen in the past it only takes one fool and nut job to start an outcry. A cash rich, drug fuled, nut might just think its a cool way to dispatch his enemy after watching one to many ninja films. Im only saying the UK has lost alot of public freedoms lately and I would hate to see another, true collectors field go, because the same group all agreed to allow the one before it to go.

Might I just add that I am from the south of Ireland. This law will not affect me but I can see where it can lead. I just hope it doesnt go that far. Lately Cheap swords have been used here for attacks on firemen and police. The press jumped on it and started asking the government if it intended to ban the sales of such. One did turn out to have a live blade from reports in the press. Its a ban culture we live in today as it makes the headlines and tells the joe soap on the street that the issue is been tackled.

I dont mean to attack anyone but you have to open your eyes to what has happened in the past and pistol shooters accounted to a much larger vote then the collectors of original samurai.
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do i think Mr Brown cares, no, do i think Mr Brown will be around much longer, no.
Im not saying drug lords will arm themselfs with swords but as we seen in the past it only takes one fool and nut job to start an outcry.
This ban has come about after what was 6 or 8 people have been killed, i think if there was going to be an out cry it would have happened by now, but it hasn't, mainly because the general public realise 6 people over more than 5 years is **** all, more poeple die each year having it off, they ain't going to ban that aswell are they, oh no.
One did turn out to have a live blade from reports in the press.
Technically speaking unless the thing is ground completely flat all blades are live, i very much doubt it was a live samurai sword blade though, as the nutters never do enough damaged fo rthem to be proper blades, afterall a real blade with even a half decent stroke will slice you in 2 from the head down to the balls, haven't yet seen a report where someone has been left in 2 clean parts, hence the ban on the crap ones.

The pistols that were banned were basicly the same as the ones people had been shooting each other with correct? Whats been banned is quite a different item to what collectors are after
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The pistols that were banned were basicly the same as the ones people had been shooting each other with correct? Whats been banned is quite a different item to what collectors are after
No, All pistols were banned. From target pistols to high caliber.
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