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Thanks Franz for your reply VILLYFranz repper wrote:Surrender to the Allies you stand a better chance of living than surrendering to the Reds ,as for going to ground some did then were grassed up by family friends or others .
Yes this did happen as it states it in Black Edelweiss I think many feared that they would be held responsable for the campsKB Martinsen wrote:I've heard that many SS men attempted to pass themselves off as ordinary Wehrmacht soldiers on giving themselves up, but were given away by their blood group tattoos.
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=2030A soldier from 13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS Handschar spoke of how he removed his tattoo:
Later, in the prisoner-of-war camp at Tamsweg, I met Sturmbannführer Liecke from our division. He brought us to a physician from the 14th SS Division, who provided us with hydrogen tablets to remove our blood type tattoos. We moistened these tablets and dabbed them on our arms. This was extremely irritating to the skin, but the tattoos simply came off after two to three days. Naturally the skin required about two to three weeks to heal. Because of these tablets, I was successful in passing two inspections conducted by our captors. (1)
"Himmler's Bosnian Division: The Waffen-SS Handschar Division 1943-1945" by George Lepre, page 310.
Iam glad you mentioned Nuremberg ,my own view is that it was a kangaroo court and a show trial,as Goring pointed out the Victor over the vanquished, there was of course terrible attrocitys,but the Russians and Stalin made the GERMANS,look like a side show with there acts of barbarity, and of course they were never put on trial .John Wilson wrote:It's an interesting question, but to put it simply, the reason they surrendered was because the war had finished.
The witch hunt after however and the debacle at Nuremburg is a totally different thing.
THANKS for the reply,yes I agree that the victors write the history books ,and it would have been interesting if the Germans had won or the war had ended in stalemate ,but as they say thats history, off topic .were you at Kelmarsh this year,and what group are you with .VILLYSean wrote:The Katyn Massacre Villy, to be fair it is a subject I'm not familier with so my views expressed are very limited.
My personal opinion? Well we cannot change what happened, nor justfiy any Allied war crimes. I guess you could say the victors write the history books, but I am sure the Nazi's would have done just the same if they had the oppertunity.
Hi Villy, I wasnt there this year and I'm with KSKVilly Vassel wrote:THANKS for the reply,yes I agree that the victors write the history books ,and it would have been interesting if the Germans had won or the war had ended in stalemate ,but as they say thats history, off topic .were you at Kelmarsh this year,and what group are you with .VILLYSean wrote:The Katyn Massacre Villy, to be fair it is a subject I'm not familier with so my views expressed are very limited.
My personal opinion? Well we cannot change what happened, nor justfiy any Allied war crimes. I guess you could say the victors write the history books, but I am sure the Nazi's would have done just the same if they had the oppertunity.
Not really true, only that the Emperor wouldn't be tried for War Crimes. Tokyo had there own War crimes trial after which 7 men were excecuted including the only Axis leader to be hanged by the Allies, Hideki TojoHans Gowert wrote:one of the main deals for the japs to surrender was that they would not be tried for war crimes i believe,