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 Post subject: wiking division
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:10 pm 
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hello to all, did the wiking division collar patch the head of a viking ship ever get issued to members of the division?? only asking because a lot of reenacters on line shops sell it in both officer and enlisted man type. would like to know because it is a really cool collar patch. regards Ben

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:32 pm 
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As far as I am aware, no. It was never officially issued(or even made).
An officers one would seem even more fantastical than the em one.

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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just as i thought never seen any pictures of it in wear, maybe 1 day everone thought that the wallione collar patch was never issued intill 2 pictures showed up. regards Ben

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:52 pm 
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Do you mean the burgundy cross patch? I'd be interested in seeing the 2 photos if you've got them.

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:55 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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Interesting stuff, can this be verified as a pre-45 photo though?

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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yes thats one the other one and this one can both be found in the book for rex and for Belgium. its a great book. regards Ben.

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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Good sirs the Burgundy cross was a very short lived item it was replaced by the SS runes and did NOTreplace the SS runes .As for the Wiking Ship it was never issued to Wiking or used by Wiking

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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Good thread. I think the Wiking collar patch would be in the same vein as the Estonian Lion. The SS "management" wanted to ban the lion patch because it was too "bling" and attracted too much fire towards the head/neck area. The Wiking ship would be the same.
In the end though the members of the dividsion saw themselves as true SS men being in the main from the Nordic countries and wouldn't have wanted to wear anything other than the runes denoting full SS membership.
I have heard tell, oh my brothers, that the ship was designed and made up but never issued BUT this could be a post war fantasy?

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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many fantasy collar patches have come about due to the waffen-SS map

http://axis101.bizland.com/GermanInsignias1.htm

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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JDR wrote:
many fantasy collar patches have come about due to the waffen-SS map

http://axis101.bizland.com/GermanInsignias1.htm

interesting link and i see they have the wiking ship listed on it as well

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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I thought that the Burgundy Cross collar patch was for issue to the French Volunteers in the Waffen SS not members of Wiking . But I may stand corrected on that .

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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SchnellMeyer wrote:
I thought that the Burgundy Cross collar patch was for issue to the French Volunteers in the Waffen SS not members of Wiking . But I may stand corrected on that .


No the Burgundy cross was issued to Belgians in the SS who spoke French (the Walloons), but was as said, short lived and as you've said not Wiking Division. The Flemish Belgians were issued runes and a black lion on a yellow shield for identification.

As for the Ship collar patch NOT being issued/worn, several books including Benders "Cloth badges of the SS" state it was made but not issued. But as we all know photos of these things have a habit of surfacing all of a sudden (the Burgundy cross is a good example) so sooner or later some one will probably produce one!

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:24 pm 
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Don't forget that the Walloons started as a the 373 (wallonische) infanterie Battalion -> Wehrmacht and only at june 1943 they became Waffen SS. I don't think that the Burgundy cross was officialy given to the Walloons to wear it on there colars but they used it with the company flags.

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 Post subject: Re: wiking division
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Gruss gott lads, an intresting thread. Another SS Belgian Sturmbrigade who wore their own collar insignia was the "Langemarck" Brigade, ive seen a picture of SS-Unterscharfuhrer Remi Schrijnen wearing it in a "publicity shot" after the award of his Knights-Cross.The Langemarck collar patch consisted of a swastika type wheel motif with three curved arms. As for the Knights Cross, it is intresting to note that only a handful of Belgians were awarded this coveted decoration. Good hunting, regards Peiper.[quote] "I'll show you where the Iron Crosses grow!".

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