Smock types in Normandy & Holland
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Smock types in Normandy & Holland
We're trying to get a good balance between various smock types used in Normandy & Holland, specifically by FJR6.
So far we have been looking at a mix of Type 3 Splinter B and a few Type 1 Step-ins for Normandy. For Holland the same as Normandy, but with a few Water and Tan.
We have 15 guys so that's the ratio we're working to.
Cheers Darren
So far we have been looking at a mix of Type 3 Splinter B and a few Type 1 Step-ins for Normandy. For Holland the same as Normandy, but with a few Water and Tan.
We have 15 guys so that's the ratio we're working to.
Cheers Darren
Hanging up my Knochensack for now, it's been a good war!
Darren, I think you mean type II step-ins.
For Normandy, I would suggest 50% splinter B type III & 50% step-in (both splinter & green), maybe 1 tan&water type III
For Holland, it would be much the same, but maybe a few more tan&water (upto 3 or 4)
this is based on looking at various period photos of FJ in Normandy & Holland, but they're not necessarily FJR6.
also I don't think rank would determine smock type, a veteran of earlier campaigns may well have been issued a new smock & new recruits were often issued with step-ins.
perhaps Volker would have a better idea, seeing as how he's written a book on FJR6.
PD - damn, I was thinking of getting an Arkwright type couldn't find one with prym 6 poppers though.
For Normandy, I would suggest 50% splinter B type III & 50% step-in (both splinter & green), maybe 1 tan&water type III
For Holland, it would be much the same, but maybe a few more tan&water (upto 3 or 4)
this is based on looking at various period photos of FJ in Normandy & Holland, but they're not necessarily FJR6.
also I don't think rank would determine smock type, a veteran of earlier campaigns may well have been issued a new smock & new recruits were often issued with step-ins.
perhaps Volker would have a better idea, seeing as how he's written a book on FJR6.
PD - damn, I was thinking of getting an Arkwright type couldn't find one with prym 6 poppers though.
To get a good idea I think we all will post photographs of which we defenitly are sure they are about FJR 6.. That will be the best way help ...
The photo above was taken at Roosendaal (Holland) (Nord of Woensdrecht)
The above Photo was taken neat Groote Meer (Holland) (near Woensdrecht)
It also seems to me that a large of the men didn't wear a smock at all.. just Fliegerbluse or coats
The photo above was taken at Roosendaal (Holland) (Nord of Woensdrecht)
The above Photo was taken neat Groote Meer (Holland) (near Woensdrecht)
It also seems to me that a large of the men didn't wear a smock at all.. just Fliegerbluse or coats
I would stay well away from the splinter step in smocks there were/are a rare beast and were found mainly in the Crete campaign, not that they weren't found late war but would be ultra scarce. I agree with your 50/50 snap splinter and step in green.Fenech wrote:Darren, I think you mean type II step-ins.
For Normandy, I would suggest 50% splinter B type III & 50% step-in (both splinter & green), maybe 1 tan&water type III
For Holland, it would be much the same, but maybe a few more tan&water (upto 3 or 4)
this is based on looking at various period photos of FJ in Normandy & Holland, but they're not necessarily FJR6.
also I don't think rank would determine smock type, a veteran of earlier campaigns may well have been issued a new smock & new recruits were often issued with step-ins.
perhaps Volker would have a better idea, seeing as how he's written a book on FJR6.
PD - damn, I was thinking of getting an Arkwright type couldn't find one with prym 6 poppers though.
Paul
Hello,
we know that shortly before setting out for Normandy, FJR6 received a substantial issue of new clothing of which a lot went to I. Bataillon. It consisted of splinter camo 3rd pattern smocks with maybe some converted 2nd pattern smocks sprinkled in. I. Bataillon also wore what is now called "Normandy" camouflaged helmets, photos of 1. Kompanie document this combination, but they show in other photos, too, so it is safe to assume that splinter smocks and Normandy camo helmets were widely used in FJR6.
It can be taken for granted that new clothing and kit was distributed according to seniority, which means the old hands got to choose first while the young, less experienced guys had to take what was left, e.g. the older green step-in smocks.
With the intake of replacements after the battle of Carentan, uniforms and kit started to show more variety and we can see more SD helmets and also very few marsh camo 3rd pattern smocks.
best regards,
Volker
we know that shortly before setting out for Normandy, FJR6 received a substantial issue of new clothing of which a lot went to I. Bataillon. It consisted of splinter camo 3rd pattern smocks with maybe some converted 2nd pattern smocks sprinkled in. I. Bataillon also wore what is now called "Normandy" camouflaged helmets, photos of 1. Kompanie document this combination, but they show in other photos, too, so it is safe to assume that splinter smocks and Normandy camo helmets were widely used in FJR6.
It can be taken for granted that new clothing and kit was distributed according to seniority, which means the old hands got to choose first while the young, less experienced guys had to take what was left, e.g. the older green step-in smocks.
With the intake of replacements after the battle of Carentan, uniforms and kit started to show more variety and we can see more SD helmets and also very few marsh camo 3rd pattern smocks.
best regards,
Volker
Hi Volker,FJR6 wrote:Hi Darren,
no prob.
I guess, if your unit does early Normandy, you can't go wrong with splinter camo smocks and Normandy camo helmets.
best regards,
Volker
while we all have splinter smocks, it's clear from period photos that step-in smocks were worn during the Normandy & Holland campaigns, so we need to know what percentage wore step-ins.
Also , is your book on FJR6 going to be published in English?
cheers
Geoff
Hi,
well, we know that the splinter camo step-in smock was a pretty rare thing in itself, so I feel that it is safe to assume that nearly all 2nd pattern splinter camo smocks which FJR6 had during the Normandy campaign were actually converted to a 3rd pattern type.
The 2nd pattern green smocks seem not to have been converted, though.
I'd say that you should be wearing 3rd pattern splinter camo smocks and converted 2nd pattern splinter camo smocks in an 90:10 ratio.
best regards,
Volker
well, we know that the splinter camo step-in smock was a pretty rare thing in itself, so I feel that it is safe to assume that nearly all 2nd pattern splinter camo smocks which FJR6 had during the Normandy campaign were actually converted to a 3rd pattern type.
The 2nd pattern green smocks seem not to have been converted, though.
I'd say that you should be wearing 3rd pattern splinter camo smocks and converted 2nd pattern splinter camo smocks in an 90:10 ratio.
best regards,
Volker