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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:44 pm 
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Did the Luftwaffe units in N/Afrika use the same yellow colour for their helmets as the army troops?

What is the best paint (RAL) to use for a Fallschirmjäger helmet as used by the Ramcke Brigade ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:14 am 
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Dunkelgelb, Ral 7028.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:08 pm 
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Thanks, was this colour also used on vehicles and other equipment ? And are the RAL numbers the same as those used during the war... ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:01 pm 
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Yes, this color was also used on vehicles and equipment. The Ral system was revised in 1951 and 1976 (I believe) and some codes were changed or deleted. It's not all the same anymore, but the basic wehrmacht colours were changed little.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:05 pm 
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Ral 1002 is actually Sandgelb, a bit lighter. Might be more of what you are looking for. Original stuff varied greatly in color, from light yellow to mustard brown. Also, different paint manufacturers make paint that comes out differntly. My advice is to buy Wehrmacht restoration paint from the various internet shops, that would be the closest match to the originals. I've spent too much on paint that came out wrong. Don't make that same mistake.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:28 pm 
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V-Important ! troops in the tunis area used a much darker colour, nearly brown as the ground around there is much more darker & less sandy....... for the actual desert areas it was as said above the exact same paint that was used on the vehicles...... an old DAK trick was to add lots of paint mostly by brush then just chuck the sand straight on top of it & leave to dry. instant desert camo & very effective. dont paint over the sand nor mix it into the paint, just add the sand to the wet paint.
If you want to age it a bit try to get some 000 grade sand paper the finest you can find & take the edges of from around the rim & a bit from the peak (ie where you would pick it up mostly) also imagine putting the helmet down on a sandy hard surface day in & day out on its top & you will get to imagine the wear pattern you will find on the top of the lid.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:59 pm 
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Would look like this, only lighter (desert sand)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:55 pm 
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V-Important ! troops in the tunis area used a much darker colour


Does that mean that Fallschirmjager helmets also had a other colour in Tunisia (Fsj Regt 5) then by the other Fsj troops of the DAK in Egypth/Cyrenaica (Ramcke)...?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:37 pm 
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There is no "100% perfect" color. As stated before, anything from very light tan, to earth brown will work.

My friend owns a M-40 with both decals painted over, and its pink :shock: We assume its captured British paint, since many LRDP vehicles were actually painted pink.

I once seen an original KM helmet from Sicily that was painted orange!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:57 am 
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I wanted to copy a helmet from Robert Kurtz's book German Paratroopers. This is what I wanted to copy
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176 ... fjtrop.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176 ... jtropa.jpg

and this is what I got after I
1. painted a layer of flextone paint and let it dry
2. panted 2 layers of feldgrau paint
3. added layer of mud and let it dry
4. added layer of ordinance tan paint (from 1944 Militaria) and let it dry
5. went around the edges roughly with steel wool and the dome of the helmet lightly with the wool

(I painted flat clear over the helmet after the photo so it is toned down a bit).
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176 ... ll/hpa.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176 ... ll/hpb.jpg

Opinions?...Recommendations?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:14 pm 
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Astonishing ! Well done .. ! I think you must start up a sevice to do helmets for others against paiment !
( but maybe use a more 'yellow' paint .... :?: )

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:51 pm 
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Now that is good. Seriously. Leave it as it is.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:39 pm 
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great helmets from all above ! cant fault any of them.

most important thing to remember when camo'ing a helmet for north afrika (or anywhere) is that there are NO hard & fast rules !

"most important" think like a soldier !! put yourself in his shoes/boots !

ie what paint can i get nick steal rob or aquire to camo my helmet ! what is the terrian i am in look like ! (after all i want to hide my head not create a da'vinci masterpiece) what methods would i have to hand to apply the paint ! mostley ie 90% this would be a brush or a rag / hands.... not much full blown spray kit around at the front line ! and what local materials can i use to enhance my camo ? sand / mud / etc etc etc

as a soldier you only want a cam paint job to do one thing & one thing alone, hide you in the environment you are in...... have a google around for images of the landscape & try to match your paint job to that.. remember ANY paint will be ok ! brit US or german, not hard or fast rules there, i have even seen crushed rock mixed with water used before ( a pinky sandstone ).

but remember ! have fun :D dont get stressed over it 8) no two cam helmets are ever the same. If you like what you have done then mission accomplished.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:06 pm 
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OK... we have discussed the colour, what about the paint itself... spray or with the brush ?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:42 pm 
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Myself, i would go with a brush, preferably made from the hair of a local camel :lol: sorry about that.

no honestly go with a brush & i mean a brush brush, not a twee little model thing, think of what would be available to them, even wipeing it on with a rag would be fine !. Just slap it on nice & thick if you want a decal or two showing then by all means go around them but try not to be too neat. You can then add sand mud dirt etc & texture & weather it till you have your desired effect. remember no right no wrong as long as YOU are happy with it good luck ! & dont forget to post pictures too :wink:


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